Cornell has placed first twice and the other time it was Penn State. We are playing with the big boys at the national level.

Because the national competition happens at the National Society for Human Resource Management conference, you will have 20,000 to 40,000 people there.

It has definitely raised the level of the program. It has brought us national recognition.

The days of 'boys will be boys' or, 'it's just a dog or a stray cat' are over.

The boys are doing some soul searching right now, looking in themselves for the qualities their grandfather had. They have intense pride in that name, and they will never do anything to tarnish it.

Changing our habits is very complicated and takes time.