But the real growth I must say in terms of the public sector for the Labor Department is really at state and local levels. That's where the real opportunities are today.

The public sector certainly includes the Department of Labor. Those are jobs that are available. They are open and they are good paying jobs. The government as a whole has been actually retrenching under President Clinton's leadership.

When the private does well, there's revenue for the public sector.

If you have faith in the public sector, as I do, you must be the harshest critic of corruption, waste and fraud in government.

Washington State has a strong tradition of a positive relationship - positive working relationship between labor and management, whether in the private sector or the public sector. It needs to continue to be that way.

The 'private sector' of the economy is, in fact, the voluntary sector; and the 'public sector' is, in fact, the coercive sector.