And we're looking for him to build off that. I know Joe and [pitching coach Mike Butcher] are anxious to see him pitch.

He's going to be fine. I've got to get with [pitching coach Mike] Butcher to figure the exact date when we're going to do something. But he's doing well, actually. He's doing well.

Billy is like the pitching coach of the bullpen. He's a great compliment to (pitching coach) Mike Maddux and he has played a big part in the success we've had out there. When those guys come in the game, he's got them ready to go.

Vern is the pitching coach.

I like the fact that he's a competitor. Mad Dog (pitching coach Mike Maddux ) said that when he warms up, he's kind of (relaxed) but when he gets on the mound, he's a different animal.

He made two good reads. He got it down to Joe. That's where Mike wants to get to. Not only be able to score, but to be able to make players around him better. Those were two big plays.