And so the idea was, well maybe you can take an Atari video game machine, where people plug in a game cartridge, and plug in a modem, and tie that into a telephone, and essentially turn that game in the machine into an interactive terminal.

I restore vintage Atari XY arcade video game machines.

I'm a video game buff.

And what we did with this new company in 1985 is we did start focusing on PCs instead of video game machines, because we learned the hard lesson about bringing a product to market in a consumer world where it's very expensive to build a brand and get distribution and so forth.

I'm a big video game fan.

Darren McCarty is a big video game guy, and he brings his systems with him on the road.