ABC probably did as well or better than we expected. CBS and NBC were about what we expected would happen.

NBC was at Sunset and Vine. ABC was across the street on Vine. Mutual was also on Vine. CBS' Columbia Square was on Sunset. It was a very busy place.

When I first broke through, there was only NBC, CBS and ABC, and they had news in the morning and in the evening - there wasn't no 24-hour news.

The environment doesn't change that radically. You are still going to go home at night and NBC is going to be there, ABC and CBS will still be there.

It's not about 'NBC is evil.' It's about that media structure - CBS, ABC, CNN, even some of the smaller operations are now multinationals, with these extraordinarily diverse holdings.

NBC programs great shows; it just doesn't have the eyeballs CBS does.